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Designing a cooking system for camping cyclist
« on: November 22, 2010, 04:17:41 PM »
Hello all,

 I am getting ready to introduce a cooking system design specifically for backpacker.  The kit contains an alcohol stove, windscreen and a 1.3 titanium pot.  I believe that I have the requirements for backpackers well understood.  If the kit needs to be modified for camping cyclist, then I would like to fine tune it to meet those needs.  Any input that you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
My current design objectives to provide a cooking system for people who basically need to boil water (no simmering and uses a cozy to keep things warm).  The typical user has coffee and oatmeal in the morning (1 ½ cups of water), has a no cook lunch and prepares a backpacking meal in the evening (2 cups of water).  The user occasionally has a hot drink in the evening.  Total hot water usage per person per day would be ~4 cups per day.   
My system was configured to support two people.  Right now, I am concentrating on people in the United States of America as fuel availability WW is not understood.  My current design will boil 2 cups of water (70 F) using 15 ml of denatured alcohol (the time to boil is 6 ½ minutes).   By denatured alcohol, I mean S-L-X from Home depot or HEET in the yellow bottle at most gas stations.  For a 5 day trip, total fuel consumption would be 10 oz of alcohol.  The system will also support Esbit tablet and can support rubbing alcohol (however, there is soot associated with both of these fuels.  The entire cooking system fits inside an Evernew 1.3 liter pot (~6” diameter and ~3” tall) and the total system weight is 8.3 oz (235 gm) not including fuel.

Some of my questions are as follows:
1)   Is the described cooking model common while bicycle camping?
2)   What is the amount of hot water needed by a camping cyclist?
3)   What size pot is preferred?
4)   Is weight / volume of a cooking system a significant concern?
5)   What are your opinions on alcohol stoves?
6)   Is the time to boil acceptable?  To speed it up would you rather use more fuel?
7)   Is denature alcohol readily available?  Is rubbing alcohol readily available?  (I can offer a soot free isopropyl stove; however, is does generate a slight odor similar to Esbit tablets)
8)   My current target price for the stove/windscreen and titanium 1.3 liter pot is $70.  Is this in line with what you would expect?
I appreciate your input in helping me craft a cooking system to meet your needs.

Jon  :)


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Re: Designing a cooking system for camping cyclist
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 02:07:46 PM »
Hi Jon,

Nice idea but can it make this....

P1000479 by

Luckily most cyclists dont have the weight restrictions of backpackers and therefore don't need to live on oatmeal and coffee. The following answers to your questions are my personal view and do not have to reflect the views of cyclists in general....

1) I prefer a multi fuel stove where I can put any "fluid that burns" into it in any country, and during my 3 months in the US used unleaded petrol. Though I can see advantages to the slow burn of alchol.
2) I need a couple of cups of tea in the morning, plus oatmeal  (if desperate) or self made bread, pancake or omelet . In the evening I need about 500ml of boiling water for paste/tea/soup or all 3 in the same pan:)
3) 1lt-1.3lt is fine.
4) Yes, every extra gram I take with me will be with me up every hill all around the world, but I'd rather it was 10% heavier if its 20% handyer...packing volume is a big issue but you can usally put other crap in the pan so that you dont notice it.
5) Patience is a virtue I dont have:), I'm hungry I want 1500 calories now!!!!
6) Yes, Yes.
7) how do you ask for rubbing/denature alcohol in Chineese, russian, french etc etc, Life is much easier if you walk into any gas staion and point at your fuel bottle:)
8) $70 for a whole cooking system is good news....many multi fuel systems cost the double of that:)

As you can see I'm not the ideal candidate for you product but just maybe I can give you food for thought for your next product. And like I said i dont know if I'm a "typical"cyclist...

Good luck....


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Re: Designing a cooking system for camping cyclist
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 12:01:32 PM »
7) how do you ask for rubbing/denature alcohol in Chineese, russian, french etc etc, Life is much easier if you walk into any gas staion and point at your fuel bottle:)

You'll need to take this article with you! It gives the names of pretty much any fuels in 19 different languages!

Names of Fuel for Stoves in all major languages
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